Brenda's Tuckers and Margaret's chapels have set me thinking about the deliberate clearances, which deserve a thread of their own, because they trouble me more than plague or enclosure ever could. Plague is a calamity; enclosure is at least an economic argument. But the emparking clearances of the eighteenth century were a matter of taste. A landowner wanted a prospect from his new windows, an unbroken sweep of grass and artful clumps of trees, and a working village with its cottages and middens and noise spoiled the view. So the village was removed and the people with it, sometimes to a tidy new row out of sight, often simply dispersed.
Goldsmith wrote his Deserted Village about exactly this. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/ ... ed-village
What unsettles me is the silence of it in the record. A man does not minute the destruction of a community he undertook for the sake of a better view. It simply stops appearing.
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I have had to close the forum to new members. Registration is shut. I'm sorry for it - but I can no longer vouch for who comes through the door.
You may also find that certain older topics are no longer where you left them. I have, with great reluctance, removed a small number of threads and posts from this forum. I did so at the written request of a firm of solicitors acting for the landowner, who hold that the material touched on matters they would prefer were not aired in public.
I have complied, because I am one man and they are not. I want it set down plainly, here, that I did so under protest, and that I do not accept the grounds. Nothing removed was untrue. Nothing removed was anyone's business to suppress.
But I will not delete this board. What is left here stays, and you may read it for as long as I can keep the lights on. I have locked the doors; I have not burned the house. I have kept copies of everything. I would ask, gently, that those of you who hold anything of your own do the same.
E. Selwood
Estate clearance - the gentry emptying villages
Estate clearance - the gentry emptying villages
We retrieve what we can from the teeth of time. (after J. Aubrey)
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Cherhill_Bill
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my familys been on this land a long time and the stories that come down arent about plague, theyre about the gentry. being moved, being told. my great great whatever was put out of a cottage so the squire could plant trees, and the trees are still there and we still touch our caps for the money. that sticks longer than any sickness. sickness is nobodys fault. that was somebodys choice.
born under Cherhill, never moved more than five mile from it.
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Marlborough_Nan
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Bill is right and it is exactly what I was saying on Brendas thread. The ones that were moved by sickness, the family grieved and got on. The ones that were moved by a man with a plan, the family never forgot, and never said why out loud either, just a tightness when the big house was mentioned. You can still feel it in some villages, who looks at the ground when the estate comes up in talk.
just an old woman who remembers when the green had three shops.
Just so, both of you, and that is the thing the documents cannot hold and you two carry: not the fact of the clearance, which the maps show, but the temperature of it. The grievance outlasts the record by three hundred years. I find that, in its way, a kind of justice. The estate kept the land. The families kept the memory of how. I know which I would rather be remembered for holding.
We retrieve what we can from the teeth of time. (after J. Aubrey)